Comments on: Disrupting Class: Disruptive But Not Innovative http://pwoessner.com/2008/12/29/disrupting-class-disruptive-but-not-innovative/ Teaching, Learning and Technology Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:26:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Just a parent http://pwoessner.com/2008/12/29/disrupting-class-disruptive-but-not-innovative/comment-page-1/#comment-6978 Just a parent Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:12:05 +0000 http://pwoessner.com/?p=635#comment-6978 My take-a-ways from the book were more general. Yes some of it was obvious, but the book does a great job in my opinion of laying out the argument against monolithic delivery. Traditional education delivery, for optimization's sake, assumes students all learn at the same pace and assumes students' learning styles fit with the teachers' delivery styles. Ideally, teachers are able to handle (individualized content, individualized delivery style) the diversity in the classroom. However, any attempts to deviate from the std curriculum is nearly impossible given teachers' time constraints. So here is my wacky idea: we should be diverging to find several education delivery models, not converging to one solution. Reform efforts today seem to be focused on finding one magic solution. Charter schools, such as KIPP, offer an alternative for certain demographics. While KIPP is successful in the market that it serves, it shouldn't be the model for all either. So just as there are 10 varieties of spaghetti sauce to service different segments, should there be variety in our education delivery model? My take-a-ways from the book were more general. Yes some of it was obvious, but the book does a great job in my opinion of laying out the argument against monolithic delivery. Traditional education delivery, for optimization’s sake, assumes students all learn at the same pace and assumes students’ learning styles fit with the teachers’ delivery styles. Ideally, teachers are able to handle (individualized content, individualized delivery style) the diversity in the classroom. However, any attempts to deviate from the std curriculum is nearly impossible given teachers’ time constraints. So here is my wacky idea: we should be diverging to find several education delivery models, not converging to one solution. Reform efforts today seem to be focused on finding one magic solution. Charter schools, such as KIPP, offer an alternative for certain demographics. While KIPP is successful in the market that it serves, it shouldn’t be the model for all either. So just as there are 10 varieties of spaghetti sauce to service different segments, should there be variety in our education delivery model?

]]> By: Laura http://pwoessner.com/2008/12/29/disrupting-class-disruptive-but-not-innovative/comment-page-1/#comment-5563 Laura Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:46:46 +0000 http://pwoessner.com/?p=635#comment-5563 hey Patrick, I'm skimming thru this book, too. Wonder if you'd be interested in excerpting some of this post, and adding some more details of fully realized tech + pedagogy critique, as a brief article for ascd.org newsletter? Hit me up if you're interested! hey Patrick, I’m skimming thru this book, too. Wonder if you’d be interested in excerpting some of this post, and adding some more details of fully realized tech + pedagogy critique, as a brief article for ascd.org newsletter? Hit me up if you’re interested!

]]> By: Sarah http://pwoessner.com/2008/12/29/disrupting-class-disruptive-but-not-innovative/comment-page-1/#comment-4922 Sarah Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:43:04 +0000 http://pwoessner.com/?p=635#comment-4922 You raise some good, substantive questions. The last chapter of the book is awfully, well, brief. It's hard to "see" the school of the future the authors are describing. I was left with the impression of some heavily monitored computer labs. Not a place where I'd want my children to go to school. I've been doing some thinking about middle school and DC. The issue of affect and the emotional connections students need to be successful is more important than DC allows for, but I think that Michael Hind acknowledges that in his interview with Liz Davis' (www.edtechpower.blogspot.com ). Not very many middle schools have become what was envisioned back in the 90's (and maybe before). There was a lot of conversation about the concept of "flow" and the need to teach flexibly. We (a collective we) never really got there, projects are still teacher-directed and aligned rather than student designed and integrated. Have you seen Peter Gow's wiki? I've been playing around with a model of MS curriculum there--maybe you'd care to join? http://disruptedacademy.wikispaces.com/ I'm going to look around some more on your blog and add to my RSS. Cheers! Sarah You raise some good, substantive questions. The last chapter of the book is awfully, well, brief. It’s hard to “see” the school of the future the authors are describing. I was left with the impression of some heavily monitored computer labs. Not a place where I’d want my children to go to school.

I’ve been doing some thinking about middle school and DC. The issue of affect and the emotional connections students need to be successful is more important than DC allows for, but I think that Michael Hind acknowledges that in his interview with Liz Davis’ (www.edtechpower.blogspot.com ).

Not very many middle schools have become what was envisioned back in the 90′s (and maybe before). There was a lot of conversation about the concept of “flow” and the need to teach flexibly. We (a collective we) never really got there, projects are still teacher-directed and aligned rather than student designed and integrated.

Have you seen Peter Gow’s wiki? I’ve been playing around with a model of MS curriculum there–maybe you’d care to join? http://disruptedacademy.wikispaces.com/

I’m going to look around some more on your blog and add to my RSS.

Cheers!
Sarah

]]> By: Joel Zehring http://pwoessner.com/2008/12/29/disrupting-class-disruptive-but-not-innovative/comment-page-1/#comment-4903 Joel Zehring Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:52:02 +0000 http://pwoessner.com/?p=635#comment-4903 Thanks for your insight into "Disrupting Class." I've just started to read "The Innovator's Dilemma," and I'm looking forward to how Christiansen applies his principles to education. Jim Collins, another popular business writer, asserts in "Good to Great" that technology is a very effective accelerator toward sustained success in an institution, but technology is rarely the core solution. Christiansen's call for individualized instruction resonates with me. I agree with you, however, that the best method for individualized instruction probably does not mean all computers, all the time. I'm lost for a broad systemic solution right now. Magnet schools? Charters and tuition vouchers? One-to-one initiatives? Perhaps these solutions can be piloted in mainstream districts on a micro-level so that the best practices of each can be applied to the mainstream population. Thanks for your insight into “Disrupting Class.” I’ve just started to read “The Innovator’s Dilemma,” and I’m looking forward to how Christiansen applies his principles to education.

Jim Collins, another popular business writer, asserts in “Good to Great” that technology is a very effective accelerator toward sustained success in an institution, but technology is rarely the core solution.

Christiansen’s call for individualized instruction resonates with me. I agree with you, however, that the best method for individualized instruction probably does not mean all computers, all the time.

I’m lost for a broad systemic solution right now. Magnet schools? Charters and tuition vouchers? One-to-one initiatives? Perhaps these solutions can be piloted in mainstream districts on a micro-level so that the best practices of each can be applied to the mainstream population.

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